Dr. Greg Bahnsen and Dr. Gordon Stein debated this question at the University of This debate has influenced a large number of people. This is the famous formal debate between Dr. Bahnsen and atheist promoter Dr. Gordon Stein held at the university of California (Irvine) in Hear how hard. Greg L. Bahnsen (September 17, – December 11, ) was an American Calvinist The debate with Stein marked one of the earliest uses of a transcendental argument for the existence of God (TAG). In a controversy emerged.

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The Great Debate | Greg Bahnsen vs. Gordon Stein

Bahnsen remarked on various portions of this debate. Do you believe there are laws of logic then? In Romans the first chapter Paul says God is making himself known continually to all men and persuasively so that men do not have an excuse for their rejection stin the existence of the Christian God.

Please limit your bahnseb to questions. And it would be up to me, or him, to demonstrate that he could fly. Without the existence of a god people would have no reason to live or be good therefore there has to be a god. In fact studies of the religious vebate of prisoners have shown that almost all were devote Christians.

Sgein is not at all acceptable philosophically. Stein is not into this debate yet tonight. The Problem of Christian Failure If Christianity is the one true religion why are so many people who sincerely believe in it found in prisons, slums, and in organized crime? Can extra-logical things be true? If you admit that than you deny his goodness.


They are agreed upon by human beings. He could also say that, the old argument about free will which is basically a morass into which he may fall if he wishes, will not do.

Does God Exist? Bahnsen vs Stein (Debate Transcript)

I know what the debate is about. One of the original pillars of Christian ReconstructionBahnsen was a leading proponent of theonomypostmillennialismand presuppositional apologetics.

Is it also… are extra-logical things absurd? The atheist worldview cannot allow for laws of logic, the uniformity of ztein, the ability for the mind to understand the world, and moral absolutes.

While there, he completed his studies at USC, receiving his Ph. Charles Bradlaugh who I will give him to you right now. Will I relinquish my belief in god? How can they be universal, abstract, invariant, and how does an atheist justify the use of them? And thirdly, since I am by the grace of God a Christian, I cannot from the heart adequately defend those steein faiths with which I disagree.

He also had heart trouble which came to light only during his first college admissions medical exam. Now theists like myself will gladly and readily do so. Now surely the dog is not suffering from original sin and needs to be infected with fleas so that he can get to doggy heaven which would be better than his present life. Is this a questions about my first opening statement? Stein when the issue becomes the existence of God because he demands that the theist present him with evidence bahbsen the existence of God.

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The law of gravitation, we drop objects all over the world sfein different situations and we always observe that they fall to the earth. If my arguments are disproven? In order for something to be perfect it must first exist.

Well this is only true if number one you are right about a god and secondly if you have picked the right religion. Yes, I believe that man has a soul. The first cause argument also called the cosmological argument, it says that everything must have a cause, therefore the universe had a cause and that cause is god.

The Great Debate | Greg Bahnsen vs. Gordon Stein – mp3/pdf

In advance, you see, Dr. There are thousands of existence or factual questions and they are not at all answered in the same way in each case. And I think that if he did so he would soon debzte that those evidences dried up. The laws of logic you see are abstract.

Now you can choose tonight between the Christian worldview, the atheist worldview. And since they are the preconditions of experience they are not falsifiable, bahnsenn yet they are meaningful.

And I would ask Dr. The argument is that their worldview cannot account for what they are doing. Whatever his perception of the reason for that I do not believe that it is because any genuinely cogent philosophical case which might be made for atheism as a worldview.